They’ve both been to war, they’ve seen the same things. To some extent I think that’s because Billy has had a different kind of upbringing.He’s essentially this street kid who grew up in foster care and grew up feeling very unloved, abandoned and abused by his parents, and he doesn’t understand how love works.So I spent a longer time with my stunt double [than Jon did]. You know, when Jon’s in that skull vest and full makeup and bearing down on you, there’s a real violence in his eyes that you can’t prepare for.
He doesn’t understand what it means to make that kind of sacrifice. Immediately after he kills Stein (Michael Nathanson), he picks Madani up and gives her a bath to, what, comfort her? I think when somebody is so internal like that and needs power, there becomes this kind of voyeuristic element to how you watch other people.
For Billy, he thinks that he’s looking at the world from the inside out, and so he knows by this point she’s his pawn to be used, and he really knows, absolutely, that this was the moment to show he’s not going to lose a moment’s sleep over it.
[He’s thinking] like, “I’m probably going to have to kill her too, aren’t I? I tried to play the same thing in the episode where I have Frank tied up and I’m washing his face. He’s washing his face, he’s cleaning him up, he should be sympathizing, but he’s thinking, “I could choke him right now.
I have that power.” I think he really gets off on that power, that genuine lust And then he gets his face sliced up.
So, I mean, I’ll allow “douchebag” for Logan, and in the end, I think separate it.
Let’s talk about Billy’s relationship with Frank: How torn was he, really, to have played a part in ruining Frank’s life? I made a decision very early on, while we were shooting the first episode, that Billy had an admiration for Frank and a love for Frank, and that maybe he was the only person on the planet Billy genuinely cares about. I think the dynamic was, “In another time, another place, you might be somebody who could challenge and interest me, but in this scenario you’re just going to be the mouse to my cat.” I think they’re both using each other, but I think Madani is absolutely torn.There’s no question that Frank has the desire to kill Billy and that he’s never had trouble killing anybody before, but there’s this combination of having felt so deeply for him and knowing there’s something in Billy that is maybe good at his core. Billy seems finished, but in Billy’s mind, it’s just the beginning. There was a lot of talk in the finale about, when he wakes up, who will he be, what will he remember?That’s something I’m definitely very interested in finding out.The sequence was so painful to watch that Barnes recalls standing by in fear for his embattled stunt double, who had to take the biggest hit in the sequence by getting tossed against the mirror that would eventually tear Billy’s face to shreds.“I was so distraught I couldn’t even look at the monitors or anything,” the actor remembers.] And so I would just literally spend hours and hours and hours in a dojo we set up in a warehouse in Brooklyn with the stunt guy going over this stuff, because I didn’t have the same level of training.